Dr. Kelly Brogan:
Dr. Kelly Brogan:
Calm Body, Clear Mind
Kelly Brogan is a holistic women’s health psychiatrist who takes a controversial stance in today’s medical climate, that mindfulness and meditation may be more valuable to our health than medication. Over the course of her medical career, and due to some health challenges of her own, she’s come to believe that our bodies are often able to heal themselves, given the correct diet and health practices and that pharmaceutical medications often do more harm than good.
Kelly’s latest program Calm Body, Clear Mind turns conventional anxiety care on his head with small, do-able steps you can take to create more energy and ease in your life.
Kelly considers herself a distiller of information for her patients, clients, and readers and desires to “leave women feeling empowered around their own embodiment.” Her beautiful, raw interview below gives you a true portrayal of what it’s like to put your heart and soul into changing the face of an established healthcare model and the courage it requires.
- Tell us about your business – what’s your mission; your soul’s purpose and why you created your wellness business or service?
I am a very reluctant businesswoman and as an activist first, it took me many years to actually accept the fact that poverty consciousness around activism is what keeps movements stuck, particularly in the digital era. So it wasn’t until I embraced the notion that for me to sustain myself, for me to try to achieve something complimentary between my personal family life and professional aspirations, I needed to have a viable business platform.
As physicians, we have virtually no training whatsoever – no acknowledgement of the fact that actually medicine is a business and being a clinician is being a business owner in private practice. So I certainly wasn’t alone in being a doctor who had no idea how to run a successful business and it has been an actually quite spiritually challenging and evolving process to learn more about how to make my business viable.
But at this point, my mission is truth to power around health freedom. I base a lot of what I do on one of my favorite Maya Angelou quotes which is “When you know better, you do better.” I’ve always felt very strongly even when I was in conventional medicine about the importance, the ethical mandate, for informed consent and this notion that when we are presented with all of the available possibilities and all of the known information in as objective a means as possible, then something will resonate with our soul. Then we will be able to identify the path forward that is most consistent and aligned with our existent belief system.
It’s actually only recently being acknowledged that belief is a very, very powerful – perhaps if not THE most powerful – variable in the outcomes that we explore and examine in medicine. So this has become very much the focus of my platform, the tagline for which is “Own your body, free your mind.” Part of that is taking responsibility for the many ways we have outsourced our power to agencies, to doctors, to authorities, to government, to our parents, friends and family, and to take that back and understand that you are in a position of immense power over your trajectory, over your health experience.
The information that I put out through my writing – it’s probably the thing that I enjoy the most in my life is to write and put into words, ideally with clarity, the very complex and nuanced concepts that emerge from the latest scientific literature that support a very different story than one that we have been told by conventional and orthodox outlets. So the story that I try to share on my platform through my writing, through A Mind of Your Own which is the book I wrote and published last year, and also in behavioral experiential form through “Vital Mind Reset” which is our online program – this all serves the new story, so to speak – which is that you determine what is possible and that the notion of chronic disease and chronic illness is a belief system.
So if you can move out of that, particularly if you can move out of that through an experience in your body, in a body-felt sense, of the potential for dramatic shifts and change, then you can begin to enter into new phases of your spiritual growth that might have been limited by your physical challenges.
In my clinical practice, which of course is the proving ground for all that I share online, I work to heal the body physically through actually quite basic – more and more basic every year that I practice – lifestyle interventions. What I find is that through this process, there is so much more reclaimed energy and so much expansion that allows for the pretty much inevitable spiritual evolution and transformation that seems to attend that process of often dramatic physical healing. That could be from anything ranging from hypothyroidism to Crohn’s disease to migraine headaches to PCOS.
My conventional training is in psychiatry. Initially, I almost felt ashamed of that, almost embarrassed of it, like, “Oh, it’s like not even a real doctor.” I had to back my way into medicine through the door of psychiatry. Now I find it deeply poetic that psychiatry is at the front lines of the I would say battle around consciousness and what we are going to tolerate and allow for as a society.
Of course, psychiatry is charged with determining what is normal and the medications that are used in psychiatry, many of which of course I believe very passionately in. When I myself was a prescriber, the medications themselves actually, in my opinion and also based on the literature much of which is collected by investigative journalist Robert Whitaker, these medications induce exactly the states in a chronic way that they purport to resolve. Antidepressants induce states of long-term disability around what’s called tardive dysphoria and this is true for all of these different categories.
So it’s very important to understand what the meaning is. What are the beliefs implicit in taking pharmaceutical medications? While I focus a lot on psychiatric drugs, my private practice is devoted to taking women off of these drugs for life. I believe that this is important for any pharmaceutical that you take. What is the message you are sending your body and to begin to integrate and align around that message. So if you say that you believe your body is capable of anything and has this incredible innate intelligence – well, when you take a painkiller or an antibiotic or an antidepressant, the message that you’re sending your body is in fact, “You can’t handle this. What you’re feeling is a problem. It’s wrong. I don’t like it. Society doesn’t like it. My boyfriend doesn’t like it and I’m going to suppress it.”
We need to begin to really explore these philosophies and to understand that it’s critical to do so, that there should be no assumptions. There should be no reflexive dogma and that we need to begin to question all of the elements around our health that have become the infrastructure of our current thinking.
- Tell us about your journey and your story….what got you to this point today?
I was raised very conventionally. I’m second-generation. My mom is from Italy and anyone who is second-generation knows that there is a lot of pressure on education, on success and particularly financial success, on intellectualism as evidenced by grades and performance metrics, So basically I felt like I had the choice to become a lawyer or a doctor and I chose the latter.
While I was at MIT for college, I worked a suicide hotline. I volunteered there because suicide is actually quite a big issue at MIT. While I was working this hotline, I was also majoring in what’s called Systems Neuroscience. So I was sort of left with the impression in this confluence of factors that we had cracked the code of human behavior and that all that was necessary was to help people get access to this wonderful science and these powerful medications that have grown from this science in order to diminish human suffering.
I went to medical school to become a psychiatrist. Obviously, I’d never worked harder in my entire life and it was quite an experience of indentured servitude and I think a lot of the stress of medical school and my training is what ultimately contributed in part to my experience of Hashimoto’s which I was diagnosed with after my first pregnancy. Now during my pregnancy, I had been specializing in my fellowship which is post-residency specialization, in medicating psychiatrically pregnant and breastfeeding women.
I was pregnant at the time and I sort of had this voice come up inside me while I was writing a prescription – I’ll never forget this – for Zoloft for a pregnant patient, myself pregnant, sitting at my desk. I remember thinking, “God, I would never take this medication.” Meanwhile, I had devoted countless hours to learning all of the science that my teachers and mentors had put in front of me that basically said, “Well, there have been 25,000 cases of these in the literature and most of these babies are totally fine. So the disease itself is much more dangerous,” so you’re sort of backed into a corner as a pregnant woman considering taking medication or already on it when you conceive.
But I had this strong feeling that something is wrong with that or perhaps there had to be something better that we could offer. I just ignored that because I wrote these prescriptions every single day. It was a very inconvenient intuition. It wasn’t until I was diagnosed with my first health condition having led a very unconscious life up until that point, never exercising, never meditating, eating literally McDonald’s and candy several times a week if not daily, dyed my hair black, I took birth control for 12 years continuous cycling. I myself when I was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s had that same voice arise within me that said, “I don’t want to take a prescription for the rest of my life. That may be fine for my patients but I don’t want to do that.”
So many, many allopathic clinicians when they themselves have been put in the position of becoming a patient develop an experience of empathic sensitivity that then drives their motivation to reform the system. That’s exactly what happened for me. I went to see a naturopath which was very uncharacteristic for me. Within the space of a year, I had put my antibodies in the high 2000s and TSH of 20 into remission through lifestyle changes, namely through dietary changes. It wasn’t until much later that I would integrate meditation, for example, and even exercise into my life. This raised a lot of red flags for me and I’ve always been a science nut. I’ve always felt very comfortable on pubmed.gov. I’ve spent every single Saturday for 14 years there for 4 hours. I went back to the books and I said, “Well, if no one ever told me that I could put an autoimmune illness into remission in my Ivy League training, what else didn’t they tell me?”
What I learned around all of these sacred cows of conventional medicine, all different pharmaceuticals ranging from birth control to statins to acid-blockers to antibiotics to vaccines and, of course, psychiatric medications but also what I learned about the newest science, about something called psychoneuroimmunology, about how all of these different systems are completely connected in ways that we have not formerly considered them to be, all led me to put down my prescription pad. It was when I did that, that I began to witness outcomes that I had never before even thought were possible.
That is my mission: To make sure that the world knows what is possible before they make decisions about their health.
- How are you changing the face of healthcare and/or the wellness industry? How do you create, innovate or break the rules in healthcare?
It’s interesting because much of what I have to say has been said already. I often think that I don’t really have any original ideas. I think of myself as a master curator. I can consume massive quantities of information, distill it, and present it in an accessible way. I’m extremely passionate by nature so I think I tend to perhaps inspire just because of my conviction. But a lot of what I have to say has been said by naturopaths and acupuncturists and Ayurvedic and Chinese practitioners for centuries probably.
Because I have an MD, I seem to be in an auspicious position and have this opportunity to influence the conversation around our healthcare choices. One of the ways in which I can do that is by holding space firmly around the conversation, the pharmaceutical conversation. Through my research – because, remember I was not raised this way; I did not philosophically come to this conclusion. It was actually through the science that I have come to conclude that the risks of pharmaceuticals outweigh the benefits and certainly when you consider the alternatives. There’s no more deliberation to be had if – and this is an important caveat – you actually believe that your body is capable of healing.
I am able to hold space for non-pharmaceutical medicine in a way that unfortunately I find to be unmatched in the arenas of wellness and holistic healthcare. I don’t have any colleagues who agree with me to the extent that I believe pharmaceuticals are unnecessary. I’ve said if I get hit by a bus, please don’t give me homeopathy on the street. I do believe that emergency medicine, should you choose to avail yourself of it, has a role and that’s an extraordinary thing that we have created. But it’s when we extrapolate that emergency medicine into chronic care that we get into a lot of trouble and we trap people in illness and we strap these disease labels to their backs for life and it just simply doesn’t need to be that way.
But you could find yourself sort of submitting to fear, fear that our culture has been really marinating people in for several decades. That fear can lead you into considering antibiotics when you have something, pneumonia or a UTI. It can lead you to take birth control as the only option to prevent pregnancy. It can lead you certainly to take psychiatric medications for which there are no objective tests and really it’s fear that drives psychiatric prescribing.
So if you can resist or at least shine a light on that fear, then it’s possible that you can learn what you’re capable of and because I do this in my practice, my patients don’t take pharmaceuticals and we are working obviously to wean them off them. Most of my patients have been injured by pharmaceuticals which is how and why they find their way to me. Because I do this in my practice, I have lived, experienced, and witnessed what is possible when you work with the tenets of natural medicine and the power of mindset. Perhaps this is one of my more unique contributions is just holding that pole for others to sort of fill in the space between me and allopathic medicine.
- What personal and professional legacy or impact do you want to leave on the world?
I would feel fulfilled if a part of my legacy was to leave women feeling empowered around their own embodiment. By that, I mean that for women to feel a capability and a capacity to revisit assumptions that they have made about their bodies’ capacity to be vital and hormonal, about their capacity to birth and breastfeed, about the meaning and nature of menopause, and about the vital importance of feeling and all that that entails, whether it’s rage or sadness or grief or ecstasy and bliss. I would feel like I have come here, I have served, if I could create a world in which my two daughters could feel a trust and a faith in their own bodies and the immense beauty of womanhood.
- In your opinion, what is the most significant factor in healing or overall wellness?
I believe that the single most critical and deterministic factor when it comes to health, illness, and wellness is mindset. We have a tremendous amount of literature at this point that frames what we have only ever thought of as this research-based nuisance, the placebo effect, as the most important determinant of medical outcomes. I am most familiar with the research in psychiatry that demonstrates, in my opinion beyond a shadow of a doubt, that belief accounts for the perceived efficacy of psychotropic medications but specifically antidepressants.
Actually, a study just came out showing a medication class that I think of as being really straightforward and it’s almost street substance-level effects which is stimulants like Adderall that actually belief was the major driver of the outcomes in this research study as well. So scientists know how to control for this in such a way as to demonstrate that when you take a medication and you believe that it’s going to work, and particularly when you have been influenced by direct-to-consumer advertising – we are one of three countries in the world that allows that – then the effect of that medication is riding that belief.
If you were to take a sugar pill with the same side effects, because the side effects can also be important in activating that belief, then you would be just as well off, perhaps without more extensive injury. So I will not work with anyone in my practice that I have to coerce or convince. I used to do that because I like to think of myself as being rather persuasive and well-informed. I used to think, “Well, I can turn anyone on to this. This is incredible. Look what it’s done to my life and my career.” But I’ve since stopped doing that because you can’t change someone’s mind through information. You can only change it through experience.
The experience that will be available to you is going to be more limited if you’re not just a little bit open fundamentally to the possibility that things aren’t what they seem. It is through this screening that I actually work with women who fundamentally believe that their body is capable of much that they have been told it is not and who believe that there is more out there for them than they are currently experiencing and who believe that challenges and struggle are part of growth. These are some of the tenets that we look for in our screening process because it sets us up for radical transformational experiences.
I think that it’s through these kinds of connections to each other that we can be reflected back what is possible for ourselves and I wish that people knew that in the setting of a community of like minds, what is happening there is that mirrors are being held up to you so that you can see what you’re capable of. I actually think that this sort of like survivor-warrior-lone wolf kind of attitude that has been fostered by the past couple of decades of approach to health, i.e., fighting cancer and everything is warring. We’re warring with our bodies. We’re warring with nature. We’re warring with each other. It’s like the bad thing is out there and trying to keep the good.
What we’re realizing that it’s only in connection, it’s only through this kind of surrender to a greater whole, that we ourselves we can figure out who the hell we are. So it’s part of re-wilding. It’s part of getting in touch with our ancestral roots to understand that the tribe is what we are used to and it’s served a very essential purpose to guide us through our own initiation to ourselves. I always tell people to be wary of any wellness expert who teaches you something that you didn’t already know. That’s very much what I like to think of myself as doing is just reminding people, perhaps through some social metric of authority, what they already intuitively know.
- What do you wish people realized when it comes to their health or about the wellness industry?
I think it’s very cliche’ to say that everything you need is already inside you. But cliches have power for a reason and the reason that sentiment has taken such a prominent seat in online marketing and digital conversations around our health is quite simply because it’s true. The age of the guru in sort of yogic terms is called the Piscean Age which is over. We are now in the Aquarian Age which is most notable for its equalization and for the role of community. In fact, I think it was Thich Nhat Hanh who said, “Community is the guru of the future.”
I think we are witnessing that because it’s the power of the internet to bring information that resonates with your core beliefs to you, not to persuade you or manipulate you perhaps but just to bring you confirmation of what you already know, almost like a remembrance. The internet has this equalizing, democratizing power. What it also offers is a semblance of community and an ability to connect with people perhaps we might not otherwise be connecting to around our most heartfelt experiences and struggles.
- Tell us about the start-up scares: Was there a moment where you ever seriously contemplated giving up?
I have thought about giving up many, many, many times and sometimes actually do to this day. I think of myself as being backed into business, as I mentioned, and I don’t think of myself as having business savvy, as caring to learn about how to run a successful business. We’ve gotten ourselves into a position with Vital Mind Reset where we’ve put so much money and resources into it that it really is not profitable just yet. But I also think we’re at a plateau where it’s really awesome and it is sort of where I envisioned that it would get ultimately. So I think that we can at this point begin to let go of the reins a bit and let it fly.
It’s challenging because the growth period in the beginning of a digital business I think almost universally involves investment and particularly if this is something you’ve really put your heart, soul, and personal money into. I certainly never had any venture capitalists knocking at my door. So when you put so much into it, and it’s not just like some random opportunistic marketing ploy to prey on the vulnerable and weak on the internet, then there probably is universally a period of growth where it takes time to assure yourself that this is the right thing to do.
But the outcomes that we have are actually better and faster than those that I have in my own clinical practice. So not only am I convinced that we’ve come upon a powerful formula but it actually has led me to question what is missing in my own clinical practice because it can take me sometimes years to get some of the outcomes that we have – women off of five psychiatric meds in the space of a couple of months, chronic disabling migraines reversed in the space of 2 weeks. I had one case of a mother who was about to euthanize her son literally because he was so psychiatrically disabled and was sort of left in a hopeless place. She said, “I wouldn’t treat my dog this way.” He had not a thread of a healthy life left. She did the program with him and we did a video interview. Literally, he is almost completely off medication and totally reborn.
It is literally that available. It’s just a matter sometimes of committing to what may even be a ritual of self-love. I don’t know. I don’t know how or why it works to the extent that it does but it certainly requires this kind of confirmation in order to keep committing and committing again to the business and marketing elements of this work.
- Did you ever fail or make a substantial mistake in business or organization? Any serious challenges? How did you overcome and resolve it?
I haven’t ever made a big mistake thankfully but I have had to learn that the way I relate to money with my friends and family, my partner for example, is very different than the way I should relate to finances in the setting of a business and with my employees and even with other colleagues, that there is a level of structure and boundaries and clarity that really liberates a healthy relationship between team members and between collaborators that I never have needed to implement in my personal life. I have had to learn that lesson the hard way through violated contracts and through sort of seepage and leakage of financial resources in ways that I wasn’t really monitoring. I would say that this notion that boundaries are the first step to freedom is very, very true when it comes to financial management in a small business.
- What action has the most impact that you’ve taken to reach your goal/s?
This is a work in progress. I have actually recently read a book recommended by two of my team members called Essentialism. It has helped to confirm something that I suspected as my to-do list never ended and as I spent every waking hour, weekend and night, working toward optimizing my online impact. That is that it’s critical to do less better and that just because I can do something doesn’t mean that I should do it because it might actually be a distraction from the one thing that I should be focusing on every day.
Now I look at sort of a mission statement which is sort of an internal metric of how many people I want to liberate from chronic disease a year through this program. Part of that is not just selling the program, right? I actually need people to do it so we’ve shifted our focus and a lot of our improvements toward helping people to actually complete the program. It does absolutely nothing for me – I certainly don’t want money that comes from just buying the program. What I want is for people to have a transformational experience and I have laid it out for that to be possible but I need people to do it.
The shift in focus toward completion of the program has begun to really amplify the outcomes and to also help me understand what it is that I’m doing because you can get caught up in the gears of productivity, doing more and more and more and more, especially if you’re someone like me who’s very good at completing tasks and following through. I pretty much slay to-do lists. It’s like my super power and it actually can be a real liability if you don’t understand where you’re supposed to be saying no and where you’re supposed to be focusing your energy. That’s been a really critical piece for me.
- What would you tell your younger/earlier self about following your dreams?
I would quite simply say, “Dance with the process. Take your hands off the wheel.” That’s mixing metaphors unfortunately but I would just say you have to trust the process because just the moment that you think you know what is best for you, even in saying, “I know that what’s best for me is to make my global impact enormous,” who knows? The moment that happens, I could be picked off by Merck or Pfizer and my life could be over.
So I’ve understood very much that it’s that Chinese parable: Good news, bad news. Just when you think something is good, there could be a real shadow lurking and when you think something is really challenging, it could be absolutely the most powerful thing that’s ever happened to you. Some of the greatest challenges and tragedies in my life have gifted me a thrust of my own personal evolution that would’ve never been possible had things been going swimmingly. So it would simply be what I teach my daughters which is that you never know what you need so just do everything that you can, every single day, to take care of yourself and honor your body. That’s it. That’s my mantra.
- What’s the best piece of business or personal advice YOU’VE ever received?
Maybe this is part of the challenge for me is that I haven’t gotten a lot of advice in my life when it comes to business. I certainly have sourced a lot of spiritual guidance and I have also availed myself of a lot of support. I think probably the best piece of advice sort of through osmosis absorbed is that if you don’t love what you’re doing, then something is wrong. The feeling that I get when we get the surveys and outcomes and I do video interviews and hear testimonials, not only from my course but through the book and through my patients, is a kind of deep fulfillment that I’m not sure would be available to me through any other arena of my life including mothering. So that confirms for me that this is a business worth investing in.
- What’s the #1 piece of advice you would give a new Wellness professional who really wants to make an impact in healthcare and people’s lives?
The advice I would give to a new professional is to walk the walk, that if you are authentically embodying what it is that you are looking to inspire in others, it will come across in everything that you do. If you work with the flow including the challenges that I have referenced of the early growth of your business and you try to listen to that small voice that may even be confronted with a lot of negativity from those around you including friends and family, then there will be something that you gain from this path.
Whether it’s prosperity or personal education or the right relationship, we don’t know. It could be learning through a deep challenge. I think there’s so many elements of business ownership that are deeply spiritual and it is a really rich terrain for honing all of these sort of elements of consciousness that otherwise could be very easy to sort of attribute to the platitudes of life. Instead, you’re forced to really embody them and live them, particularly if you grow a team and you begin to understand how is it that I can represent my highest self in this team.
One of my beloved team members is pregnant and I myself as a reproductive rights advocate believe in paid maternity leave. I believe passionately that we have to re-loom the social fabric that actually supports women rather than sets them up to fail when it comes to birthing and breastfeeding and early infant care. While she’s not a formal employee – she’s a freelancer – it has been a very big focus of mine to try and understand how I can financially contribute to her leave. So I’ve spent a lot of time trying to understand how I can work through some of the incentivized bonuses in our sales to contribute to her sense of being honored as a mama-to-be. So that’s sort of an example of how real-life business can actually force you to examine the things you thought you believed and see if it’s possible to actually embody them.
- What does a typical work day look like for you?
A typical work day, well, every day I wake up at 5:30 and i don’t brush my teeth. I only use my Daysy thermometer and then I head straight to my mat. I do Kundalini yoga and meditation for 40 to 45 minutes and after that point, i begin my sort of self-care ritual which involves typically skin brushing then a shower which I end with a very, very cold 30- to 45-second rinse.
After that point, I will eat breakfast. I normally have either a Yerba Mate or an almond milk matcha latte’ with typically some variation of eggs and salmon or eggs and avocado. Sometimes I have this like batter from these Paleo pancakes that I often have around for my daughters. I’ll make them breakfast and lunch if I’m home because I travel a lot and I am blessed to have the support of my parents on a daily basis in the care of my daughters.
Then if I am in Connecticut, I will commute an hour and a half to the city. If I happen to be in New York then I’ll often go to Soul Cycle before work which I love shamelessly. Then I will see patients pretty much back-to-back throughout the day. Sometimes I’ll have an interview or a meeting of some kind and if it’s a day of abundance, then I might even go to a Kundalini class after work. Then I typically do take my evenings off. I used to work through my evenings and work late into the night. Since I started doing early morning meditation, it’s forced me to go to bed by 9:00 or 9:30. I would’ve thought, “Oh my God, I’m losing all of these hours of time I could be productive” but actually my productivity has soared, actually too much probably, since i started to just close the computer and actually go to bed with my girls which is normally what I do if I happen to be home and not traveling.
Then I wake up and do it all again. I typically meditate with my daughters before bed or on my own if I’m traveling or spending time with my partner. It’s a pretty packed schedule but it works. It works for now. The challenge of having a clinical practice and also a digital business and also writing a book – I’m writing my second book on the side – is that often you’ll sort of feel like you’re inhabiting one of these spaces sometimes when you’re in the other space. That’s probably where I have a lot to learn from the principals of essentialism around really beginning to hone in on what is the best vector of the message that I have to share and I haven’t gotten there yet so stay tuned.
- Stevie Wonder or The Beatles? (this, I personally must know.) 🙂
This is a no-brainer: Stevie Wonder. I’ve actually never understood The Beatles but I also look for soul in my music so that may be part of the challenge. I’m sure there’s a lot of powerful stuff that came through The Beatles and I’m sure that they channeled some very important elements of consciousness at the time that they did but I have literally never voluntarily played a Beatles song in my life.
Kelly Brogan, M.D. is a Manhattan-based holistic women’s health psychiatrist, author of the NY Times Bestselling book, A Mind of Your Own, and co-editor of the landmark textbook, Integrative Therapies for Depression. She completed her psychiatric training and fellowship at NYU Medical Center after graduating from Cornell University Medical College, and has a B.S. from MIT in Systems Neuroscience. She is board certified in psychiatry, psychosomatic medicine, and integrative holistic medicine, and is specialized in a root-cause resolution approach to psychiatric syndromes and symptoms. She is on the board of GreenMedInfo, Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, Functional Medicine University, Pathways to Family Wellness, NYS Perinatal Association, Mindd Foundation, the peer-reviewed, indexed journal Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine, and the Nicholas Gonzalez Foundation.
Kelly is Medical Director for Fearless Parent and a founding member of Health Freedom Action. And she’s recently created the Calm Body, Clear Mind program to help women bring more energy and ease into their lives. She is a certified KRI Kundalini Yoga teacher and a mother of two.